prices spiked and we had spent a lot of time working on energy taxes and alternatives of energy taxes that would have been good policy, then, and would have been good policy later. but they became extremely difficult when oil prices and prices at the pump had spiked as much as they had. so in terms of things happening that you're not aware of, i would emphasize today the financial risks are greater than the interest rates suggest. and you know, if interest rates stay low and it's 2020 when they're 5%, my calculations are that's $1 trillion of interest on what we estimate to be the federal debt in 2020. and that's a will the -- a lot of money. our debt is higher now than it's been at any time sense the second world war. and at that time, 90% of the debt was owed to americans. and today,-of the debt is owned abroad. and the reason that the pressures don't seem as real as they are, and here i want to be clear that the pressures are not next year or the yore after. the pressures are between now and 2020 or even later. is that europe has been in such a bad shape. that is, when you tie your